The problem started with single mums. No time to look after their boys properly so the kids were left to do what they want. The result is becoming obvious now. The current teenagers have no respect for anyone and believe they can do what they want.

Henry, London,

What is a "Deputy Mayor for Young People", and how much does he get paid for saying things like;"I think we need to ask ourselves why we are where we are in the first place"?

Bill Peter, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

In New York City the police do foot patrols and car patrols everywhere. you can't walk for 5 minutes in New York without seeing the police. In London it's a different story. Occassionally you see a pair of bobbies, but not very often. We need more police out and about in London!

John D, London, UK

Yes Barry, I'm sure they are all at home celebrating the disruption of the transport system.

And why do we have to hear about "a couple of black guys running past" at all? It's an irrelevant comment, printed to cause more racial tension by this country's hypocritical media. Lets wait for evidence.

Sam, Brighton,

Also, in the UK, murdering slime seem to get light sentences compared to in other countries. While the judge may call it "life", they're usually out in 8 to 12 years; sometimes less. Not fair compared to the perpetual sentence of the victim.

John D, London, UK

Obviously,the CCTV is NO deterrent!.
Usually cover their faces with hoods,sometimes masks.Its all about "dysfunctional" Families,I'mafraid.When did you last be fearful of Asiatic,Jewish or Chinese Gangs in London,in general?....If I go out at 3.00AM now it will NOT be these Guys on street corners!

Tony, Welling,Kent, England

The CCTV pictures mean that there will be virtually 100% chance that these boys will be identified and brought to justice, this will be the deterrent. There is nowhere for them to hide. We do not yet know the circumstances that caused it , there could well be more to this than meets the eye.

andrew, London, UK

Youths rule our streets, they have no fear of the law. We need to toughen up - allow our police to police - I have never carried a knife,so why do we not have stop and search (or metal detetectors) and if found with a knife instant 6 months community service? because politicians have no clue

Jay, London,

Nick Davies covered the problem completely in his book 'Dark Heart'... it's a 'War on the Law' born from useless unskilled, unqualified, futureless kids who's only entertainment comes from the buzz of theft, violence and solvents.

It's like trying to understand why a cat tortures a mouse.

H Morgan, Talgarth, Wales

So there are another 9 black youths, all accused of this one gang rape out on bail right now.....? Is that right, Metropolitan Police? Is this what you're telling us? Gang rape, and you're released? Have they gone completely and utterly mad?

Laura Roberts, London, UK

Alex, it probably happened very quickly and given that the men had knives and quickly ran away why would anyone want to risk their own life trying to stop them? I wouldn't, I am not a "have a go" hero The man has been caught anyway- the victim was as unsavoury, both unfortunately travelled to town

andrew, London, UK

I grew up on a council estate with good/bad white and good/bad black people. True, a common trait was that everyone was not "well off". However, good parenting, schooling and respect for the laws of the land are what count - not where a person lives (council or privately owned)!!

Kath, London,

Along with millions of others I will not be grieving for the death of this individual, inexplicably out on bail pending trial for the rape and acid attack on a 16 year old girl.

Guy, Sai Kung, Hong Kong

Roger Tilbury,
What a childish comment! The police have a job to do. This country is anything BUT a police state and it is for that reason that it has turned into the lawless dump that it is.

Chris , Preston,

Its astonishing how many contributors believe violent crime is the preserve of ethnic minorities. White British are no different. Have you forgotten the kids who murdered Sophie Lancaster just because she was a goth? Drop the predjudice and face the real issues: poverty and social breakdown.

Dick, London,

The govt these days is crazy..

All these stabbings, day after day after day.. Yet NOTHING has yet been done to tackle it.. Being in my teens, i know of many people that heed to "gang culture" with no conviction of their actions...

The root cause needs to be found and eradicated, IMMEDIATELY

Abdul, London,

forcing the mixing of ethnicities/social classes is idealistic (socialism) and just doesn't work in real life. most of the violent crime in London is caused by the black community (no it is not racist to say this,it is a statistic) and allot of it has to do with being a product of the welfare state

Jeremy, London, UK

In NYC if a man was stabbed on fifth avenue in broad daylight the attackers would literaly be pounced on and held by the public until police arrived. In London they are able to run past thousands of people...how on earth does this happen? I am from NYC and am now a Londoner and am ashamed.

Alex, london, england

90% of somalian immigrants live off the state and in council housing...why on earth are they allowed in the country..seriously? Why is council housing being built in middle class areas? To prevent ghettos? oh wait...London already has them. Socialism, i think it is clear, just does not work!

Alex, london, england

all these comments are true. poverty does lead to crime so stop building council housing in nice areas or risk chasing out the middle class. London already has mass ethnic ghettos so you are not going to prevent that from happening by instilling mixed housing. thanks socialism.

Adam, Surrey, england

.How can anyone say a bad thing about Asiatic/Chinese or Jewish Youths?..Few problems there.
They,invariably,have TWO hardworking and family-orientated Parents BOTH contributing too their welfare.
One other Group has 70%+ children from Single Parents,putting those children at a great disadvantage.

Tony, Welling,Kent, England

It all starts in the school. The British system is failing our young people. It has presented a false assurance where our children are encouraged to be lawless citizens and always expect a way out in the name of 'children's rights'. The sytem has turned them into monsters - now out of control.

OMAR, ENFIELD, UK

there must be a solution to this problem.
philip, blackfriars, london

There is:

1. Re-introduction of targeted stop and search.
2. Instant 5 years imprisonment for possession of a knife or gun.
3. Three strikes and you're removed from society for good.

Tom Franklin, London, UK

there must be a solution to this problem.

philip, blackfriars, london

It defies belief that with daily stabbings, Lord Phillips says that those found in possession of knives shouldn't be given prison sentences.

Crime is rising because there are no values and no deterrent. Repeat offenders are released, and safe in the knowledge of no punishment, commit greater crime

Laura Roberts, London, UK

Every day I am assaulted on Oxford Street on my way to work by black youths - in the tube station, on the bus, walking along to my office. Verbal abuse, pushed, elbowed in the ribs, shoved against walls as they storm down the crowded streets. No police ever come to my, or my colleague's aid.

HG, London, UK

When I reported a beating up of a girl on the street by (presumably) her 'boyfriend', the police said they will come and check it out. None came, however, I was phoned back to check whether the 'boyfriend' also had smashed the window of the local Boots shop. The priorities of the police are clear.

Hnery, Notts,

Is it going to get to the point where we will have to collectively fight back, just to protect the futures of ourselves and our children. And for those who say immigration has nothing to do with it, yes, we believe you.

Michael Anthony, Birmingham, UK

This should be so easy. People who are put into jail should stay there and murders, rapists and paedophiles..well anything is too good for them. Why are we so sympathetic to the criminals and blame the victim? It won't be long before the public forms a lynch mob as we've simply had enough.

Jess H, Notts,

Zero tolerance? The English dont know the meaning of it. I heard the head of a rough city school telling an interviewer that they had a 0 tolerance policy for bad behaviour. He sd(as near as I can quote) " we give them 2 warnings; if they do it again theyre out til the end of the lesson". ooooo

Cobin Raine, Hay on Wye, Wales

last Friday at 8am in rush hour my sister was sexually assaulted on Oxford Street by a young man. she was on her way to a job interview & this guy walked straight up to her, grabbed her & stuck his hands between her legs b4 running off. she has reported it to police, one woman came to her aid....

Jaly, London,

Very tragic to be honest, a whole life wasted, a family feeling empty and robbed, the guilty thinking its ok to murder, a generation out of control. This needs to stop and if stopping means applying the harshest of all legal punishment then I back that. Stop the soft approach to this unlawfulness.

D, North, Teesside

its not ethnic minorities, its the poor kids, who because of discrimination happen to be black, who do this out of boredom, change the law and allow them to work! This would solve all of the problems!

mr hassan, LONDON,

If an underage caught for any reason their parents should be automatically punished for the failure to do good parenting. Giving birth and then let them hang around in the society as animal is not the answer. Listen to teachers. They know who is budding criminal. First stop benefit and then jail.

A K, Camberly, UK

The kids in London, of WHATEVER ethnic background, are the worst behaved I've ever witnessed in any of the world's cities I've lived in. They think they can get away with murder - oh wait! - they do! No, not an answer, just a fact.

SM, London,

Roger Tilbury, You say 'Police cordon areas off for no reason whatsoever except to show how important and powerful they they think they are'. I suspect the reason they do it is to conduct a thorough investigation with a view to obtaining the maximum evidence,so as to catch those responsible, simple?

Roger, Stoke, UK

With all the Met and other forces budgets currently being used to trap motorists is it any wonder this Country has plunged to the levels we have seen recently? Fact is the Police are now just another means of raising revenue for the Government and arresting kids with knives does not bring revenue.

Richard, Chelmsford,

Forget the autobiography, this crime tells the real story of 10+ years of New Labour

Paul, Barnet,

Kids killing other kids. They seem to think they live in some mad gangster fantasy world with no consequences.

Anyway, the jails are full, where will we put them when they get arrested?

MikeG, London, UK

IT IS TIME.

It is time to defeat the violent culture in Britain. It is time for a change of Goverment. It is time to bring our brave soldiers back from far away places. It is time to patrol the streets and inner cities with our soldiers and police.
IT IS TIME !

IN DEEPEST SYMPATHY

Mr Walmsley, Manchester, England

It's about time that the government cracked down, as they did with legally held pistols. All knifes should be confiscated. After all, they successfully eradicated gun crime, didn't they?

Keith Wilson, Beziers, France

Yet today they announce that the Courts can hand out NON custodial sentences for people carrying knifes. Nulabour, you are pitiful.

Roger, Surrey,

Only the photos of the victims and the murderers tell the truth, why are you affraid to write about it. Black kids are either being failed by their parents their communities or their schools, a solution will not be found until we recognise the problem.

Jason White, Paris,

Simply put, at the moment there isn't a viable deterrent.

Sending people into prison where they can watch TV, play computer games, have free meals and take drugs can hardly be called a punishment?

Without the death penalty, these attacks are only going to continue and increase.

michael clarke, Windsor, England

we all know what the problem is, take a look at the Mets "most Wanted" and you will see the theme there also. London has been turned into a sewer with areas even the police won't go. But lets not forget how "enriched" the families of these victims feel now! Multi culti social engineering has failed

dave, boston, england

I am 60 so I remember the family, the work ethic, loyalty, honour and consequences. All old fashioned words now. The last 10 years have been an accellerating road to hell. My country is unrecognisable so I have no compunction in leaving it. This Government is fiddling while we burn.

ian lumley, stratford upon avon, england

If instead of extending FT education to 18, National Service in the form of Community and Voluntary work should be introduced for a year - then these young peoplewith lack of interest in society would learn to value life and gain skills to succeed in life.

Shana, London, UK

I doubt the CCTV will be an good, that is only used to catch motorists not paying tax, not for catching criminals.

Andy, Correze, France

Bring
back
Stop
and
Search
NOW

Peter P, London,

"Live by the sword, die by the sword", unless the government realize how effective that approach is, UK will become a more and more violent country. Some extreme murderous instincts can only be refrained by fear.

Hokken, London,

we all have to realise that our once great country is in tatters right now and future beholds more grim story...
Long live Britain (only few bunch of tatoo holders can say this now) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alan, London, UK

You cannot get a silk purse from a sows ear... Like the weedkiller the treatment has got to be systemic... Slash all benefits to teenaged mothers, if they take the choice of bringing a life into the World they and their extended families pay for the 'mistake'.
Thuggery will be history in 30 years..

Mac, Edinburgh, UK

Lucia

Complete and utter rubbish. Lets see, black man kills black man, operation trident activated, white man kills black man, cries of racist Britain and candle lit vigils, black man kills white man......nothing, don't want to upset the PC brigade do we!

A Thorn, London,

I think we all know the causes of such crime: poverty, leading to a disenfranchised youth. If people have nothing to lose then they do not fear losing it!
Less marginalization, more interconnectedness, more inclusion. More police and tougher sentences are a knee-jerk reaction.

P Flannery, Glasgow,

"There are some important questions parents need to ask and answer, but also we as adults and people in leadership positions"

Exacally what I've been saying over the last few weeks in these comments.

Take a look in the mirror, because it's the parents who are bringing up these children.

Andrew, England, UK,

This is what happens when your core policing strategies are based on surveillance instead of, well, policing. There are more CCTV cameras in the UK than in any other country in the world. It doesn't stop people from getting murdered, it simply means that we have footage of it after the event.

John, London, UK

Immigration and asylum is directly linked to crimes committed against the indigenous white British. A majority of random attacks resulting in maiming and murder, are perpetrated by nonwhites against indigenous white Britons. Nonwhite inter-ethnic crime is vice, guns and drugs related - turf wars.

Fran Waldron, Alum Rock, UK

I may be talking Rubbish here but to me this is highligting a problem in our society. Because there is no community and in schools and at home there is no discipline due to UK laws on corporal punishment. Therefore kids grow up believing its their right to do what they want, and stuff everyone else.

Chris, Coventry, United Kingdom

I really don't understand the question.
Prosecute & convict.
That means real sentences of imprisonment for all perpetrators of crime and life sentences for violent criminals. i.e. locked up for the rest of their lives. If there arn't enough prisons, build more! What is the problem??

AS, Bristol, UK

People have a right to feel safe on our cities streets..
Its time to have zero tolerance on Knives and other weapons.
Jail should be the minimum sentence on anyone carrying a weapon.
Spot checks and searches should be done on likely perpetrators.

M. Allain, Cambridge,

When the Law fails there is always, and only, force. The Police are incompetent and lazy and have failed Britain. People will soon think its time for vigilantes to patrol neighbourhoods, not soppy community type police wannabes. Vigilantes would probably be an improvement on the present situation.

Richard, Kiev, Ukraine

Dick - we've come to this because the community that is responsible for most violent crimes, disproportionate to their population contribution, largely have no values, refuse to see a problem, fail to parent, fail to discipline, fail to control, fail to punish, fail to care, fail to be responsible.

Laura Roberts, London, UK

I am a foreigner living in the UK and would be considered 'non-white' by some and would totally call on politicians to expel any foreigner (ethnic or non-ethnic) who is involved in violent crime! It is good for the host country and it is good for descent guests (short term or long term).

Sam, London,

I will always remember the "re-enactment" on TV of the steaming gangs that were robbing at knifepoint on the underground system years ago. They were all depicted as a gang of white youths.

Orgulas, Watford, UK

We need to bring back the Tyburn Tree and make good use of it. Preferably situated in Trafalgar Square for all to witness as a warning

James, Reading,

Yet another fatal stabbing / beating / shooting by ubiquitous mindless hoodlums; meanwhile the Prime Minister is getting all het up over some other air-head's memoirs. Surreal. What part of the known universe do those clowns at Westminster live in?

Peter S, Wavre, Belgium

The solution is to build more prisons and increase prison sentences - especially for violent crimes. Most murders/violent assaults are perpetrated by offenders with a string of previous convictions. The trivial sentences given to serial offenders is undermining all our safety.

Dave, Harlow,

yea ok people do get stabbed all the time-its doesnt make it right! this country is going down the pan, with numb minded parents/couples who have numb minded children and do not have a brain between them! i dont think the influx of foreign people is helping! what future does this country hold? none!

Kiran, London, UK

David Hammond is quite correct it has been perpetrated by mainly black kids but also some Muslim.
Now before everyone shouts Racist at me, I AM FROM AN ETHNIC MINORITY. If I can see it why can't you ?

Mike, Borehamwood, UK

given that one youth had probably just stabbed someone, would you try to stop them? I would not.
I imagine they would both have had knives- no point in more death.
The police know that every inch of that part of London is covered by CCTV- these were foolish guys, their images will be very clear.

andrew, London, UK

How have we come to this? The social revolution instigated by Thatcherism and carried on by the Blairite neocons has created an ever growing and ever more alienated underclass. We reap what we sow. Rio here we come.

Dick, London,

There's PLENTY of police available to point a camera at motorists, but when there's a murder suddenly the cameras and policemen dry up!

D Harrison, Liverpool,

From the Times: "“I just heard the screaming and then saw a couple of black guys run past us.”

From The Guardian: "I just heard the screaming and then saw a couple of guys run past us. The ambulance arrived and they got to work on him. It looked very serious."

What right to censor?

Jay, Stockholm, Sweden

Heavy handed police brutality is the answer. Kids won't continue to behave as they please after a sound beating. Some notion of repercussions would probably help quell the urchin uprising..

RY, London,

It's tragic - a young man has died in a stabbing. We all feel the sense of loss. But for goodness sake people will you get some perspective! People get stabbed all the time, it is nothing new, but a couple of headlines and this place explodes with irrational hysteria. Go and calm down!

K, London,

How come two running black youths could not be stopped by the thousands and thousands of members of the public in the vicinity, nor any of the police who are usually camped out in this area stuffing their faces in Starbucks, and nobody knew where they went, or followed them?

James, London, UK

Jackie -

'There is, however, a correlation between dislike of certain minorities and a willingness to blame.'

What planet do you live on? Tell me, which ethnic group has been both the victims and the perpetrators of over 90% of teenage murders over the past few years..?

David Hammond, Ware, Herts, UK

The Guardian went one better than the Metro: they carry the same quote as The Times with one key word missing. I think that's called censorship in some countries...

JS, London,

The ethnicity of the murderers is a moot point.
A man has lost his life and the murderers - if caught - will get a minimal jail term.
We live under a system that simply cannot be bothered to protect its innocent citizens, and as far as I am aware, the people responsible for this are mainly white

Henry, London, UK

Wel this just signifies how the government/parents has lost all control from teenagers. I think the main problem is that children are being given council flats at the age of sixteen and are therefore having kids, with no education whatsoever and no way to teach their children the value of life.

Caroline, London,

Lucia, London
Nonsense! The exact opposite is true. I think the majority of readers are aware of many media blackouts when perpetrators are of ethnic origin. They don’t fail to give a description if the suspect happens to be an indigenous Brit or "White".

Patrick, Stockholm, Sweden

Barry, Personally not sure which way the attackers went, hence the need for a corrider of potential movement to be created thus given time to police to secure/confirm witness cctv and forensics. Evidence can be carried along by human, as well as motorized traffic, Delays? Unavoidable necessity.

trev vincent, sussex,

Surely the time has come for zero tolerance policing on the streets?
It worked in New York and it needs to be implemented in London right now. Forget the Human Rights Act and offending ethnic minorities/immigrants and forget the lefty liberals too. The safety of ALL citizens comes first.

Paul, West Midlands,

it feels like some people really can get away with murder in this city. They must feel immune from any punishment. Where are the news articles sending the message that these gangs are caught, their lives ruined and put away to rot for a long time?

gerald, stoke newington,

Folks, please grow up. This is a male problem.

Many young black males are killing each other (they don't provide the guns themselves); the young white males are killing themselves and anyone who tries to restrain them; whilst others are being incited to attack the whole society.

Maureen, London,

Young males are killing like this because they have no fear of authority.
Most of them are damaged goods, with inadequate parenting; many have come from countries where casual killing is a way of life.
It is as simple(and as deadly) as that.

mike rigby, blackburn,

yes, why the hush over releasing a description of the bakery killer. I understand there were several people present at the scene. What are the police hiding?

Louise , London , UK

So many comments - all with the answers. It's this Marxist Government are the killers with the blood on their hands. They'll keep a low profile again till this blows over...then just carrry on with their 'replacement' of our people. Stop moaning, just VOTE THEM OUT.

Frederick, Gwent, Wales

As someone said on Newsnight last night, the police have abandoned the streets. We are descending into anarchy and chaos and its only the 90 odd percent of decent citizens that are slowing that process down. If we no longer have a police force to protect us we have to protect ourselves.

Albert Hall, Kettering,

Where the weak govern anarchy flourishes.

Cromwell, Leeds, England

To Lucia.
You suggest that because ethnicity has not been mentioned in the bakery murder, then the killer must be white, but the suspect is said to be of Turkish origin.
As for the Times quoting that they were black boys in this instance, the metro omitted this fact. Too sensitive to report quotes

James, london,

Helen, Bristol asks where it went wrong.

You only have to look at the sentencing last week of the gang who murdered the boy in Hammersmith. The longest 'minimum' tariff was just 15 years.

MikeS, Leeds,

Oh, by the way. NEWS FLASH. The police have just released(after 4 days)the information that Jimmy's murderer was Turkish and with a string of minor convictions.

And the fact that they withheld this information seems to have given the suspect plenty of time to get away. PC wins again.

Cobin Raine, Hay on Wye, Wales

Police 'cordoned off Oxford Street'. Why? When are the media going to start questioning the so-called 'right' of the police to close roads and cordon areas off for no reason whatsoever except to show how important and powerful they they think they are. We will be a police state in 50 years.

Roger Tilbury, Worthing,

There is no correlation between immigration and violent crime. If there was, then in the fifties when migrants from the Caribbean first came over there would've been an upsurge then. There wasn't.

There is, however, a correlation between dislike of certain minorities and a willingness to blame.

Jackie, London,

The generous benefits system ensures a generous supply of 'youths' who only exists so mum can get a flat/money for free. Therefore they're raised without any thought. Very rarely do you hear of a well-raised/adjusted male stabbing like this.

Remember: Have kid = no need to work for 12 years!

John, London,

Why was it necessary to cordon off the whole of Oxford Street, causing "dozens" (I would have thought more likely hundreds) of buses and their passengers to be diverted, when the incident happened on the pavement? Doesn't this kind of thing just hand victory to the criminals?

Barry, Wallington, UK

'A couple of black guys ran past' says one witness. Of course, but why did I read it in this column instead of hearing it on the BBC news. I will tell you why, the BBC will not mention the word black unless it is to employ an ever increasing number of them. Until the BBC stop focussing on black people during their news bulletins as if they were promoting them, and avoid mentioning them when someone dies by their hand, we, the white majority will be in the dark, so to speak.

B L , London, England

Lucia - Whilst I think it's better not to focus on the heredity of the perpetrators, they don't give descriptions when the suspect is ethnic - I've seen it so many times with the London media - the first release indicates the ethnicity then it's hushed up - It should be explicit.

Andy Iddon, London, UK

well mr johnson, what are you going to do about ethnic minority knife crime ?more black role models? even more sports centres?waste millions and millions of tax payers money?whats it to be?im waiting??.

helen, London,

The UK is becoming a joke - a laughing stock. As i write this message from China it makes me think how useless democracy really is. Cut the red tape and become more Draconian. China has 1.5 billion people and almost no sign of crime. You do the maths.

General Mao , Beijing, China

Years of well-intentioned but ultimately misguided PC policies have led to this. Each generation of urban youth is worse than the previous one and the liberal hand-wringers have absolutely no idea what to do about it. Multiculturalism has FAILED and it's time to recognise this.

Clyde, Colliers Wood, UK

I personally believe now is the time to end this softly softly approach and to get back to hardline policing of our streets. Too many young people are losing thier lives to and increasing number of individuals who believe they have the right to take life away.

Sid, London,

Re: Lucia, London,

What utter rubbish. So what should the media report then? A suspect of unknown ethnic background of unknown skin colour because of "political sensitiveness"? It is a mere description of the suspect.

This is like: What do you call a local? A local. Stop being so touchy over it.

Chris, Cambridge,

Lucia
The main suspect in Jimmy's murder is believed to be Turkish. Surprisingly enough this is now being widely reported.

Lucie, London,

Gang culture of the immigrants !!! You must be out of your mind "richc". This has got nothing to do with migration. Have you seen those hoodies outside even late at night.There is a good propoprtion of all colors in there. Bring more discipline in, thats what we need , stop blaming immigration

APA, Reading,

Well this time I will have to say, thank heavens for CCTV- I expect it won't be long before the murderer is caught

andrew, London, UK

I'm no detective, but it seems obvious which section of youth routinely carry knives and therefore should be targetted by the Police.

What has it come to when on a sunny day on the busiest shopping street in Europe, a young man can be slaughtered in front of hundreds of people?

Carl, London, UK

Where are we going wrong? When did taking another's life become so easy...how can they (the perpetrators) show no remorse...not come forward and face the consequences of their actions...what was the cause a perceived wrong-doing, a wrong look...? I worry for my own son's safety when he's out.

Helen, Bristol,

I am a (London) GP and thankfully I haven't treated any "stab wounds" following a criminal act, however, it will be only a matter of time that I do. Allegedly, there are thousands of more Police on the streets on London. Where? I never see them. Sure, I hear the sirens of cars “reacting” to activity

Dr. Walter, London,

Patrick - You will find that the ethnic background is not mentioned if the perpetrator is believed to be white - as is likely the case in the murder of Jimmy, a total innocent. The media will always be the first to identify a black/brown/yellow suspect. The media will print what they want to print

Lucia, London,

The UK has a drinking problem - plain and simple ... i have never seen a society with such a lack of moral direction, especially in the youngsters. The youth here are protected under rediculous laws, and spend their time loitering around drinking and raising hell. It is a disgrace...

Grant, Maidenhead, UK

I live in spain, and it has been a revelation to see the resident spanish population marching to show solidarity against ethnic violence, violence against women etc. It seems that in england we arent allowed to state the obvious, this is a problem from gang culture of the immigrant population.

richc, alicante,

Families have to be supported, discipline must be brought back into families and schools and some sort of national service that could engender responsibiity and discipline brought in. No one has rights without responsibility. This goverment and society has failed our children.

Simpson, Edinburgh, UK

Mark, Singapore
Contributors emphasise ethnic background for number of reasons. One being the correlation between immigration and the rise in violent and drug related crime in the U.K .The proponents of multicultural dogma refuse to acknowledge these facts. Britons are very angry about this!

Patrick, Stockholm, Sweden

I am getting fed up. each time a stabbing occurs, we are reminded that there are alws stating 5 years for carrying a knife, yet when it comes to sentencing , this is ignored. Can someone tell me why?

Hamad Lone, London, England

why the hush over the description of the suspect in the bakery stabbing????????

rob, newport,

Contributors above emphasise the ethnic background of the potential murderers., irrelevant. What we should all be concerned with is punishing - yes punishing and not rehabilitating - perpetrators of violent crime. Life imprisonment for violent crime. No parole. Death for murderers. Simple.

Mark, Singapore, Singapore

It's simple. The penalty for carrying any weapon should be life and for using it.... death

Mark, Derby, England

At least this article quotes a witness and we get a description of the suspects. The BBC and most of the other main news channels are not giving any description at all!

Similarly with the murder of Jimmy Mizen, there has been a media wall of silence. It seems the truth is hidden if it's not PC.

Justin, London,

What is going on in this town? We've got stabbings every day of this week, yet the police are powerless and undermanned, unless you are a law-abiding person who drops a pasty flake on the floor. The lads behind this need to be found and punished.

Dan, London, UK

33% of Londoners were born outside the UK. Our children are being slaughtered on the streets of our capital city. These 2 facts are not unconnected.Who gave the politicians the mandate in any of the last 6 / 7 elections to change the structure, culture, make-up of our society via mass immigration?

Jeremy Macannind, Sevenoaks, UK

With all the cctv tracking law abiding citizen, the police should have made an arrest on the spot. They probably were waiting for a member of the public to do their job.
Better change priorities, as more people have now died from stabbing than bombs since 7/7.

Lauren, London, Uk

unsavoury as it sounds, we really must have a referendum on hanging. There is no other way to even slow this epidemic down, let alone STOP it.
All of the cabinet ministers who have special armed police to guard them, have nothing to worry about. Its just us on the streets that die for no reason.

Alan, London,

At last, a newspaper that has seen the sense to give a description of the perpetrators ethnicity. I doubt the police would have said anything....

Mike, Norwich, England

Guess which part of this article came as no surprise to me at all. And guess which part will be ignored by everyone who has any power and authority to stop this insane madness.

And guess which part will, as it has done for years especially since targeted stop and search was banned, get worse.

Helen E., London, UK

Its not going to be long before the rest of our once great country will be like this. Thank you Labour!

Steven, Leeds,

i wouldn't hold my breath for the politicians to realise that there is something wrong in British society: i really don't think they care.

Marco, KrakOw, Poland

How many more people have to die before something is done?? People are just taking people's lives without a second thought. That poor, dear, sweet boy on Sat, two days later, another young man, when is someone in power going to start taking this more seriously?

RIP Jimmy, and the young man today x

Jude, Durham, UK

We are reaping what others have sowed. Dreadful, just dreadful.

Are we going to get a description of the murderer this time?

Laura Roberts, London, UK