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Smokers will be forced to pay for a licence to buy tobacco under plans to reduce tobacco-related deaths presented to ministers.
The permit, which could cost as little as £10 a year, will include the smoker’s photograph and would need to be presented to the retailer every time the smoker bought tobacco. Holders of permits could also have to get a declaration signed by their GP that their health was not at “massive risk” from their habit before the licence was issued.
The proposal to make Britain’s 25 million smokers buy a permit for their habit has been drawn up by Health England, the national reference group for health and wellbeing, for the Department of Health. It is being considered by Lord Darzi, the Health Minister.
Julian Le Grand, the chairman of Health England and a former senior policy adviser to Tony Blair, said that the permit would help many smokers to break their addiction if they had to make a decision to “opt in” to smoking. However, the proposals were condemned by pro-smoking groups, who said that it would encourage people to buy smuggled tobacco.
In a paper written for Lord Darzi, Professor Le Grand said: “Suppose every individual who wanted to buy tobacco had to purchase a permit.
“And suppose further that they had to do this every year. To get a permit would involve filling out a form and supplying a photograph, as well as paying the fee. Permits would be issued only to those over 18 and evidence of age would have to be provided. The money raised would go to the NHS.”
Simon Clarke of the smokers’ rights group Forest said: “We are becoming not just a nanny state but a bully state. If smokers are targeted in this way it’s a very short step to slapping a similar charge on anyone who wants to buy alcohol or any other product ministers don’t approve of.”
Kevin Barron, the Labour chairman of the Commons health committee, said: “The answer is to get more people into smoking cessation programmes which have had a big boost since the ban on smoking in public places came in last year.”
Dr Chaand Nagpaul, the GP representative on the British Medical Association’s public health committee, said asking doctors to approve a smoker’s right to buy tobacco would be “unworkable”.
Martin Dockrell, policy manager at the anti-smoking group Action on Smoking and Health (ASH), said: “There is no need to bully the minority who are happy smoking when most smokers are ready and trying time and time again to quit. We need a comprehensive strategy on smoking, It’s not about the next clever idea from a think-tank.”
A spokesman for the Department of Health said: “We will be consulting later this year on the next steps for tobacco control.”
Professor Le Grand said last night: “It is based on the idea of libertarian paternalism.
“Those people who are determined to smoke won’t be put off but 70 per cent of smokers want to give up. Changing the default position so that you have to make an active decision to do something can lead to a significant impact.”
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Unfortunately the UK is now run by BIG BROTHER! That is why there are 30,000 more or less, British born people leaving this country every month. All the freedom we have in this country, we pay for, freedom of choice is denied to those who live in the UK. When the Government says,' jump' the UK public responds with, 'how high', there is no fight left in us. We should be ashamed of ourselves to allow this state of affairs happen, and it's getting worse with every day that passes. Me, I am 72 and I am off to a country where there is freedom, and ciggies are a mere 35 pence a packet! You, well by all means stay here, but in my time I seen the UK steadily going down the drain, it 'aint got much further to go now before the extinction of Great Britian and it becomes another dot on the EU map, a country I was once proud of and fought for, but no more!
Charlie, Egham,
Im sorry but this is ll getting a bit out of hand we are getting taxed left right and centre. I don't smoke at all never have probably never will, however all this tax is bordering communism in some ways.
The government tax the public so much for silly little things yet then they have the stupidness to say that people are getting into dept but little do they know that its all this tax thats imposed on us plus our living expenses e.g. food and bills.
We are in a nanny state in this country and i believe that if its not acted against now it could spread and become this country's key reason for deterioration. In fact this has already started. I mean com on guys get real £10 to smoke its got to affect someone's human rights somewhere along the line. Funny how we can't bend the human rights laws to convict murder's,criminals and sometimes terrorists but we can bend them to people pay yet more tax.
The governmnet need to think of their priorities before they pull such a stupid stunt.
Michael Serghi, London, Middlesex
There is no good reason for this. The scheme will cost far more than £10 per card to administer, so will cost money, not raise funds. As the price rises and doctors refuse to sign licenses off, and smokers realise that being registered has implications for future NHS treatment being refused, more and more smokers will simply buy bootleg tobacco, which is easily available in every town, thus reducing even further the tax take to the government. The only real effect of this proposal will be to vastly increase the size of the already thriving black market and to pointlessly criminalise yet more citizens - something this government seems strangely keen on!
Alcohol license anyone? (well documented heath risks) license to buy junk food? (health risks from obesity), license to buy condoms? (high risk sexual behaviour) licence to play sport? (risk of injury).
Who was it said "When will politicians learn that 1984 was a novel, not an instruction manual?"
Ian, Barrow-in-Furness,
Serves smokers right? Not a smoker, so it doesn't effect you?
Just a way for Government to make even more money?
Please, people, wake up: The licence, if it goes through, will generate a central registry. All smokers will be registered. The logical next step will be to exclude registered smokers at least partly from health care, because they brought their diseases onto themselves. Never mind that they pay for the health care with their taxes, just like non-smokers do.
And then - what next? Easy: Have every smoker wear a sign on their outer clothes. For their own protection, of course. It's been done before, hasn't it? Now, Prof. le Grand, if you're already thinking of a design, here's a hint: Yellow stars and pink triangles have been used in the past.
We all now what came after that - and if you don't, then look into a history book. Do you want that kind of state? I think not.
M. Langer, Troisdorf, Germany
I'm a fervent anti-smoker, but I think this is a terrible idea. Imagine the risk it would expose GPs to, if they give the OK for a patient to smoke, then that patient suffers a health crisis that can be attributed to smoking? Think of the lawsuits. I imagine that if this is passed, most GPs, either from a sense of self-preservation or to honour their own moral values, would have a policy of not signing *any* smoking permits.
Natalie Anne Lanoville, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Serves smokers right- ha ha ha :)
Walter, Browbridge,
oh dear another disapointment from "new labour"voters,
last weeks was saying people in council houses must look for a job,(well at least those who dont have one).
bet they thought only those nasty old tories would do such things!
ken, shrewsbury, shopshire
Lets check what people spend there money on, a local group of good people who can stop you doing anything they dont like the look of. Could be used to stop crime, political sweetners and excessive pay for the fiddlers. A licence to use money while your at it.
Where will it stop.
Paternal state, what a joke.
Only as long as they rake in the money.
Flintlock, Bracknell, Berkshire
What i load hogwash another stealth tax Labour out Labour out , just wait the ballot box will have its day and keep the Con's out as well, remember the Poll Tax ???
Barry, Stevenage, Herts
Why cant some scientist come up with an alternative cigarette, as where by the smoker gets all the desired effects but with no risk of any disease to themself or others.
If this £10 stealth Tax ever got in I would happily riot for my freedom, its a shame that Guy wasn't successful.
Darren, Bristol,
In response to Roger T.
I specialise in PSM. You obviously have no club about the real costs of the NHS Vs the revenue from smoking. I assure you there is a vast difference.
Dr Ponlin, London,
yeah, of course this will work, if cancer won't put people off smoking, a tenner will do, genius.
cooper, Grimsby , England
My husband doesn't smoke but often buys my cigarettes for me, does he have to have a non smokers licence to buy a smoker some cigarettes ??
Patricia Smith, Lincoln, United kingdom
a perfect scenario for massive production of counterfeit cards.
Oh dear and I voted for this government. It seems we never learn from the history of socialism and their need to intrude on our lives. Especially when the government appears to be in it's dying days, having been in power far too long now and having nothing better to do, like paying OAP's more, or things that really count for something.
The true blues beckon in 2010.
phil, northampton, northamptonshire
This stalinist dictorial government hasnt got long left, they havnt got a cat in hells chance of being voted in again. All they know is ban this ban that, they want the state to own your body when you die and whilst you live they want every detail about you stored on data bases that grow legs and walk. I am not a smoker but if I was I would be furious at this suggestion. What I am interested to know is which party 25 million smokers will opt for at the next election
Charlie, Derby,
Thank you Mr Le Grand for admitting that passive smoking does not kill. Also, the number of smokers in the UK has been decreasing every year, but making people buy a licence will stop people from giving up, as they will have a licence to deter them
chas, suffolk, england
This is just typical of the Labour government these days. Not content to try and run the country and sort out the many problems that already exist, every week it seems we get some hair brained scheme to foist another new tax on us, as if we didn't have enough already.
I see their infatuation with getting peoples photographs on shiny wee cards hasn't subsided any either, one which will no doubt contain your health records as well.
R MacMillan, Ayrshire,
This could happen. I mean if they can seriously consider changing the law so possession of drug less harmful than tobacco (cannabis) is punishable by a 5 year jail sentence then they can get away with doing this.
Just wait till they classify tobacco as a class B drug, then smokers will really know what persecution means.
I hate Labour, they're authoritarian and dictatorial. The Tories aren't any better though.
David, Aberdeen,
This sounds to me like just another group trying to justify their wages. They should be looking at a better way to make products that would ease the withdrawl much cheaper for everyone who wants them, and better.
Also, this idea does not mention how much it would cost to run, how much an appeals system would cost, and what a smoker would do if their license from one year is not replaced by slow departments before their present one ran out? Would the smoker be breaking the law because of anothers fault? And what about the store keepers, can they afford the time to check every singel person every time the buy products.
I wonder what the next think tank will come up with.
Peter Sims, coventry,
My father always said it's the easiest thing in the world to give up cigarettes he did it every Monday, the truth of the matter is most people want to give it up but can't and it the licence is anything like other government schemes if will have to rise because of admin costs.
John Lawson, Doncaster, West yorkshire
More tyranny from the Fascist Left.
John, London,
Another unworkable idea by this government.
Its reported that the £10 will go to the NHS-Hmmmm think not!
It will go to the government coffers probably help to pay for the
2012 olympic games.which some people don't want.
So if you are a visitor to the country from abroad and you smoke it will drive away visitors.
I just get the impression that the current government are running out of ideas and want to loose the next general election.
Allan P, Stafford, Staffordshire
The figure of 25 million smokers seems very high for the population of the UK. Are you sure this is correct?
Richard, Cardiff, UK
Yet another rule/law we could be looking at. I get the feeling we are living in a kind of dictatorship these days. maybe not a government lead by one person. Although we as a population sure dont seem to have that many rights over what goes on anymore. We are all told what to do by a bunch of people that call themselves a democratic government! I'm 33 years old and dont think i can remember any democracy. Just rule after rule after rule. WE ARE EVER SEEMINGLY IN A DICTATORSHIP IMO!
W Smith, Dereham, norfolk
what next a on the spot fine for breaking wind
knight, aberdeen, UK
Is there no end to the different ways that the Robber Barons who masquerade as our government will use to extort money?
Mike Poulsen, Reading, Berkshire
well I am a smoker and could not believe this story a permit to buy cigarettes this is bound to work, what about a permit to walk to the shops to so you can buy them as a smoker I am now forced to smoke outside in all weather, so a question for all the politicians
why not go the full hog and BAN THE SALE OF CIGARETTES
I think not as the loss of revenue from tax would be too great unless those in power come up with another idea to tax people, perhaps a tax on oxygen just think how much our politicians would have to pay, this may make them think twice about talking rubbish Yours a disgruntled voter
J Stevens, bishop auckland, County durham
Potty!
Bill J, Telford,
This is all well and good, and as a none smoker, it does not affect me. I have one question though and that is, where is the government going to get the revenue from if everyone stops smoking? Forget all the rubbish about smokers costing the NHS millions because they contribute far more in taxes than they cost the health service.
Roger T, Nottingham, UK