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MPs expressed alarm at the latest security breach at the House of Commons today, which one senior ex-Cabinet minister claimed encouraged terrorists to commit future attacks on Parliament "with a grenade or machine gun".
Five environmental demonstrators from the campaign group Plane Stupid refused to come down from the Commons roof for almost three hours this morning after claiming to have gained access to Parliament as visitors, taking a lift and then climbing up on to the roof through a fire escape.
The protesters, who are campaigning against a third runway at Heathrow, eventually came down during the weekly Prime Minister's Questions session after unfurling a huge banner over the windows of the Parliamentary press gallery, and throwing paper airplanes at pedestrians below.
Several had previously chained themselves to railings to stop police from removing them.
MPs were shocked by the breach, with some saying it showed potential terrorists the way to commit a future attack.
One senior former Cabinet minister, who as Leader of the Commons had been in charge of orchestrating security in the House, told Times Online: "I have no sympathy for them whatsoever, because it seems to me that what they are doing is demonstrating to people who are of much less goodwill then they how easy it is to get into the wrong areas of Parliament.
"Sooner or later, someone is going to get in with a grenade or machine gun. I take it very seriously, and I think it's very bad, and nobody cares more about climate change than I do."
The senior MP added that the protesters were "lying" when they claimed they had accessed the roof easily, and that they must have had assistance. Police have already said there is a "strong possibility" that they had been invited to the Commons as guests of pass-holders but the Sergeant at Arms, in charge of security, would this afternoon not confirm whether an investigation would be launched.
The former Cabinet Minister added: "I have been an MP here for more than 40 years. I know 98% of this building, but I have not got a clue how you get up on that roof.
"The notion that it is easy is just a nonsense, and I can only assume that they must have had outside help. If they have had help by some member of staff, then they should be sacked."
Gordon Brown added his own condemnation of the protest during Question Time as the demonstrators were being led away by police and arrested close by.
"The message should go out today, very clearly, that decisions in this country should be made in the chamber of this House and not on the roof of this House," the Prime Minister said. "It’s a very important message that should be sent out to those people who are protesting."
The Metropolitan Police said that it had arrested five people on trespassing offences, and that they were this afternoon being held in custody. They are believed to be Tamsin Omond, 23, Olivia Chessel, 20, Richard George, 27, Graham Thompson, 34, and Leo Murray, 31.
The demonstration came only three days after Greenpeace protesters managed to climb onto the roof of a British Airways passenger plane which had just landed at Heathrow following an internal flight.
But condemnation from Westminster was not universal, with John McDonnell, the firebrand left-wing MP whose Hayes and Harlington constituency includes Heathrow, saying: "Direct action is an inevitable consequence of Government refusing to listen to communities under threat, and to the threat to our planet from climate change.
"No minister has visited my constituency to meet the people who will lose their homes and communities as a result of the proposed third runway. (Transport Secretary) Ruth Kelly visited Heathrow to meet aviation businesses, but has failed to visit the communities under threat of demolition. If politicians refuse to listen, direct action becomes inevitable."
Today's protest came on the last day of a Government-run consultation into whether a third runway should be built. Demonstrators claim that the consultation is a sham, but the Government rejects the claim, saying it is free and fair.
Heathrow claims a third runway is vital as its current capacity is 99 per cent full and the airport's terminals are struggling with 40 per cent more passengers than they were designed to handle.
The campaign group said the plans would eventually see a sixth terminal and third runway built over homes, schools and churches in the villages of Sipson and Harmondsworth. The fifth terminal is due to be opened by the Queen next month.
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Our Politicians Paranoia is what is driving this Police State. Weak individuals who have to run from one secure site to the next under massive Police guard at the most obscene cost to the Tax Payer. What a BUNCH OF SOFTIES. Even the Home Secretary is afraid to go out at night. We need harder stronger people than this to run a country. These lot are a DISGRACE.
Mark, Newcastle,
"You cant just bully your way through life." Well it seems the Government doesn't agree and wants to bully two million people into accepting a runway nobody wants. I have to breathe the air in West London, the air already so polluted it fails EU safety tests. Why does BAA get to blight all our lives in the name of business? The consultation is a SHAM.
I'm so disappointed when I read people complaining about protestors yet whinging about state intrusion into their lives.
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND PROTEST. Anyone who thinks this consulation process is free and fair cannot have read the same consultation document I've read. It is a foregone conclusion unless we PROTEST!
AC, London,
If government was seen to work for the people not against the people, this would not happen.
Government are running a highly rigged consultation process with "facts" editted by BAA. BAA's fight for an extra runway is staffed by former nu labour spin doctors.
This is a sticth up and people can see through it.
They have every right to protest, we should all mobilise an make our politicans realise that they cannot ride roughshod over public opinion any more.
Enough is enough
Clive, London,
So the politicians are angry because the protesters managed to get into a public building?
peter, birmingham,
We have regular security breaches by tree hugging, sandal wearing non-terrorists on planes, airports, trains and the Houses of Parliament. We allegedly have thousands of Islamist terrorists in the UK and yet not one them has made a significant security breach in over 2 years. Therefore, the terror threat to the UK is either grossly over exaggerated or Islamist terrorists are woefully inadequate. if it is the latter, which seems to be the case, perhaps we should start worrying more about our teenage children, who seem to be either out their face on drink and drugs, engaging in mindless violence and seem to have forgotten how to write and speak English properly.
Sam, Glasgow,
Governments become arrogant and complacent once elected, and listen only to the ballot box. They do not enjoy unfettered mandate between elections, nor should they think they do. Thatcher was compelled to think again when the people decided Poll Tax was unacceptable - who waited for an election? So why should this government, or any other, think it should be able to exclude direct opposition to what it proposes? Civil unrest stopped the original GM crop planting, but the government then decided to ignore the majority and allow it anyway. Heathrow is a local issue, not national - so let Parliament listen and take note of what the people affected have to say. It's not listening and not taking note that causes civil unrest at one level and uninterest in elections at another.
Steve Mathews, Sidmouth, UK
What's the point in wasting money building another runway anyway? Pretty soon there won't be any oil left for the planes to fly!
George Owens, Crowthorne, Berkshire
Any half decent rock climber could climb up the outside without breaking a sweat.
m wilson, bidache, france
Chris - what part of Physics do you not understand?
Melting Ice will cause the sea lever to drop! stick a bottle of water in the freezer and see the ice come up over the top
Ice takes up more space than liquid! This will more than compensate for any glacial melt !
The oceans will remain the same - the sky is not falling in ...we orbit a variable star and things get warmer and cooler accodingly
billy, cardiff, Wales
In my view Terrorist are already in the Commons. New Labour, I received a Letter from the Council demanding I come to the Benefits agency to be interviewed, to explain why I have been working and claiming Benefits, even though I was sick and Un abled to work since being in a Car accident, when I rang to explain that I can't come because I have no money because I was selfemployed, and the Council had sent the balifts down to my shop to take every thing out of the shop so I can't trade. They said what about your benefits I said what benifits. Now it transpires that some one was using my address to claim benefits including Council Tax, when I made an attempt to pay my Council tax, the council refused and said my Council tax was already paid. The benefits agency is setting to Take me to court accused of Fraud. The stress has been immence, to add to it, I live in a starter home should be in Band A, the Council has me in three bands higher. So in my view the Government is the Terrorist.
Daphne, cambridge, uk
If its this easy to climb on planes and the house of commons and we do have thousands of terrorists in this country how come its only tree luggers that have made advantage of the lapse in security? Either the terrorism threat is over hyped or it they are so incompetent there are more greater dangers we can worry about
raymond, Liverpool, UK
During the Truman years, terrorists advocating Puerto Rican independence opened fire with submachines from the vistors gallery of the House of Representatives while in session.
MARK KLEIN, M.D., OAKLAND, CA
Both the protestors and the government are in the wrong here.
The protestors are in the wrong because I doubt that the Government or Parliament will let itself be bullied into giving way on any issue. In this country, we have a system for effecting policy change. It starts with the government, whom we elect into power. If they start promoting crazy policies, then Parliament is there to stop them through debate. And if Parliament is promoting crazy policies, then the next course of action would be a LAWFUL public protest.
Therefore, I believe that this protest is unjustified.
The government is in the wrong because they made protests within 1km of Parliament unlawful - and as a result infringed an age-old right of freedom of speech and association. I believe that if this had not been done, the protestors would not have resorted to such drastic measures.
But to be heard, the solution is not to climb Parliament, but shout louder in larger numbers from outside the protest-free zone.
Jonathan, London, UK
How much more worthwhile a protest than the chinless wonders arguing to overturn the hunting ban!and they were never prosecuted as I remember but can not understand.
p robinson, audierne, france
The self-importance of the political class is hilarious: a few protesters on the roof and we get a barrage of pompous assertions about how serious it all is. How about applying the same sense of urgency to the rampant financial dishonesty inside the place?
moros, paris, fr
Nobody is restricting the right to protest provided this is carried out legally with no threat to others. This righteous mob clearly dont know the difference.
sk, East Sussex,
'You cannot justify breaking the law in order to bring 'attention to an issue'.
Missed the History lessons at school, then, LG?
Stephen, Bristol,
I am pleased to finally hear the start of public discontent with the government of the U.K. I watch from abroad (Canada) and wonder when the revolt, and I hope it is bloodless, will actually come. You do indeed live in a country that is governed, not represented, by your elected MP's. And they are almost universally bought and paid for by vested interests at election time, therefore owing a debt to those vested interests.
In Canada we have a similar problem with our present Conservative Party government ignoring the general population, but it is not so blatant as in the U.K.
Tom O'Farrell, Sarnia, Ontario, Canada.
If civil servants refuse to listen and they do not consult the people about serious issues which impact their personal lives, the Brave and the True amongst us will go forth and deliver unconventional acts and ridicule, at the same time.
Job well done Plane Stupid! Mission Accomplished. Message received loud and clear on Planet Earth.
No Third Runway!
Nancy, Thatcham, Berks,
The self-annointed saviours of the planet once again break the law to perform one of their boring, infantile stunts. Yawn!
I will be impressed the day I see an enviromentalist/human rightist protesting in Tianamen Square or Red square.
k holme, london,
A breach at Heathrow, now a breach at Parliament. To me this suggests that this whole 'threat of terrorism' is grossly exaggerated. I mean if a bunch of environmental pansies can do these things, then either those plotting terrorist attacks really are stupider than stupid, for not figuring this out, or, wait for it, those actually plotting terrorist attacks really are much fewer than our security services would have us believe.
Farrukh, Woking, UK
We have so LITTLE say in ANYTHING in this country. Our votes are meaningless. We CANNOT affect one decision on ANY issue.
We live in a democratically elected dictatorship, which we can change every 5 years or so.
The politicians are always so determined to prevent us from exercising our wills.
Take the 3rd run way or even Europe. Our country is steadily changing and not one of us has the power to affect a thing!
Is it any wonder people take direct action? Is it any wonder there is such apathy?
If the powers at be TRULY cared about democracy the whole political party system in this country would be up for review BUT there are too many vested interests for that sadly!
Think about it. Do YOU vote for a representative in pariliament at the elections OR for the policies you like? Almost always the latter - who represents you is a bundled package overwhich you have NO say.
We need a NEW democratic revolution!
Nathan, Inverness, UK
Normally you have to pay a lot of money for firms to highlight security weaknesses - Greenpeace did it for free.
Although the rather transparent attempt to link Terrorism with Greenpeace is a disturbing direction that the government is travelling.
It is disappointing that so many people have called for them to be locked up - the right to protest is one that should be supported by all, regardless of whether someone is right or not, people MUST have the right to protest something they disagree with.
They are standing for something they believe in, right or wrong... and they have a right to do so - or at we used to. How many of the rest of us can say we stand for anything other than convenience, fast food and the TV...
Raymon, London,
Well done, lads. What we need is less roads, less malls, less car lots, less cars, less houses, less population. Great way to get them to listen. Onwards.
eugene, heidelberg, germany
If they were shot down on the roof once again the police would be in the wrong .The only thing they did wrong was tresspass and discarding litter in a public place,the latter being the offence they will be convicted of,or shot for
john, newcastle upon tyne,
Thank you Plane Stupid! Thank you for giving a voice to me and all the other millions of people who are sickened and depressed by the lack action and urgency in response to the climate change threat. I am not a traditional âgreenâ â I did not give the environment much thought until a couple of years; however, I am now beginning to feel drastic action is needed since our governments are mostly too spineless to properly address the problem. How can we stand by and let our nation contribute to the pollution that is already causing suffering and death through drought-induced famine, flooding, natural disasters and conflict over resource scarcity? Anyone who acknowledges the scale of the unfolding catastrophe should be asking themselves serious questions about whether they should be joining these protesters.
Cara, York, UK
I have no support for the group who climbed onto the roof, but I can also see their point.
Gordon Brown said that decisions should be made in the house of Commons, which it should, if only the MP's would remember that WE vote them in, so they should be doing what WE want, not what they want, or their leader wants, or what Europe want, or anything else. We pay their wages, they should be standing up for what WE want.
Arthur, Newcastle,
So Gordon Brown is taking the moral high ground saying that this should be determined inside parliament while at the same time Ruth Kelly has refused to bring it to parliament for discussion. Democracy in action !!
Martin, twickenham,
The consultations are a sham - the Government is not listening to the people. What will it take for them to see that a third runway is not welcome - both in terms of noise pollution, and carbon emissions? Go Plane Stupid!
Hayley Gullen, London,
Jail the lot of them. They do not speak for me. The Greens have never won a parliamentary seat and are nothing more than an annoying pressure group. It is time to make a real example of them and their fake science..
Roger Tilbury, Worthing,
Great stuff ! ... Well done ! .. Our current government is not listening to what the people want and this is the only way we can give these issues any attention. No 3rd runway ! ... ( I live in Richmond and I hate it when planes fly over my house at 4:45 am ! ...
Bill Jenkins, London,
if the people making decisions in this country are not capable of ensuring that protesters of getting to the top of the house of commons ........
jane mullan, madrid, spain
When our children are dealing with flood waters as a result of a warmer climate, these people will be remembered in the history books as 'heroes'
Chris, Japan, Kansai
In light of the hightened terrorist and security threat, why were these intruders not shot?
Simon, London, E14,
oh boo hoo, the sound of fury the moment a little democracy hovers over westminster... I agree with the third runway plans, but a little discussion never hurt anyone.
plus, planestupid are not the only unelected people making statements in parliament...
dimitris, cambridge, mass
I am forced to carry an ID card. The security services have a sample of my DNA. There is a CCTV camera in my lavatory, and yet protesters can climb onto airliners and government buildings willy nilly.
Thank God our home-grown terrorists are so hilariously incompetent.
Why are we squandering millions on a Security Service that demonstrably couldn't catch a cold?
Mikey, Bromley, Kent
These people should be locked up for a year under anti-terrorist legislation. As should those who climbed on top of the aircraft at heathrow yesterday.
You cannot behave like this and expect to get away with it in todays society. Climbing on to the roof of the houses of parliament is not acceptable.
You cannot justify breaking the law in order to bring 'attention to an issue'.
If this was America and these people were on the roof of the White House they would have been dead in five minutes.
LG, UK, UK
I'd like to thank these protestors for doing what those of us with less courage wish we could do. There is massive opposition to the third runway but because most this is in Tory heartlands this Government fully intends to ride roughshod over that opposition.
In fact the whole question of airport expansion has been an exercise in Nu Labour deceit. They pretended to look at expansion in Stansted and Gatwick but we all knew that the decision on Hethrow was already taken, and indeed despite massive opposition we know that the plans will be approved. Our last hope is that with legal challenges etc we can delay the start of construction until Nu Labour are out of power.
martin, nr reading, uk
Whilst I do not agree with the manor in which this group has communicated their opinion, it has proved beneficial to highlight the ease at which buildings of such important stature can be breached. Luckily in this case, it was protesters, not terorrists.
David Lancaster, Stratford Upon Avon, UK
Jeff Lawrence point that Boris's suggestion for the airport in the estuary, forgets that objectors do not want anyone to fly and therofore what ever plans put forward they would object. My issue is with the media who heap praise and entertain these unelected groups who prade themselves as "FoE and Green Peace, these groups are no better than terrorists and should be treated as such. In China the have built the worlds largest airport terminal in 4 years, Okay they may not be democratic about such matters but they have acheive it in less time. The question is do we want to live in 21st century or the stone ages. Brittannia was great once can it retain its greatness.
WHUNTE, London,
surely an individual should be governed by their own sense of what is morally wrong rather than what the government tells them what is right or wrong via the law. If these people believe that the 6th runway is morally wrong and they are a part of a shared group that believes that and that there is no other immediate way to express this feeling, then civil disobedience is all good. Locking them up is fine, after all they have broken the law, and they are not protesting against the whole government systerm, but one must acknowledge that one should not be obliged to obey a 'bad' law and following ones conscience is something to be admired. To those that follow the law blindly, they have more in common with mindless drones
Anthony , London, England
Probably not the best way to do things, but with the government using legislation ostensibly intended to combat terrorism as a means of suppressing legitimate means of protest, it's hardly surprising that they went to extreme lengths.
Neel, London,
Spare us, Arthur in Newcastle "You can't just bully your way through life. They broke the law, treat them like criminals" oh no?
What do the Honourable Members themselves do every day of the week, fiddling expenses and what not? They haven't broken any laws because they're the ones that make them!
Good for the protesters I say, they're willing to stand up for what they believe in which is more than can be said about the rest of us.
A Heywood, London,
Maybe if they could have protested in Parliament Square they might not have had to clamber on the Houses of Parliament; but the New Labour commissars forbade that right.
John , London,
"they should be shot down"
The author of the above comment is the one who needs locking up! We need people like these protesters to raise awareness of issues that otherwise get swept under the carpet by the Government propaganda machine. Good for them!! Incidently, I have no strong feelings either way about a 3rd runway, but do feel that people should be free to protest without being subjected to threats of extreme violence.
Kevin Bailey, London,
lock 'em up I say.
You cant just bully your way through life. They broke the law, treat them like criminals.
Arthur, Newcastle,
These people should be locked up. They don't want a third runway, fine - go through the planning authorities and legitimate processes, not showing terrorists how easy it apparently is to get around important buildings.
I bet none of them even live near Heathrow, they're just busybodies and attention seekers. What makes these people think they can gain the moral high-ground by trespassing and painting a few banners?
TE, Peterborough, UK
There are increasing problems with air traffic. This new runway is not the right solution. These protesters are right to wake people up to bigger issues. Boris's suggestion, although not new, of an estuary airport, could solve a whole host of problems, including, aircraft holding patterns,housing, and a new barrage to prevent London flooding in 50 years time. Is this sort of strategic planning, expense, and foresight too much for politicians.
Jeff, Hammersmith.
Jeff Lawrence, London, Greater London
They should be shot down off the roof.
Who are they to disrupt our plans? I certainly did not elect these people to "speak and represent me."
Richard Nunney, Daventry, Northants
These protesters are fortunate for not being Muslims protesting against war in Iraq, they would have been shot down within minutes, its only the seat of Nation's government they have desecrated!
adam, watford, herts
Good for them. As democracy is being taken away from us by a Government that WILL NOT LISTEN this will become more and more common.
Roger, Surrey,
"I am stood"? Standing, Richard.
james, London,