Q&A Dr Tanya Byron
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I read your column in The Times and need to ask you about my nearly
17-year-old son, who has the best manners to everyone - except me. He tells
me to shut up and calls me stupid; he is never violent, but does have a
short fuse. I thought it got easier as they got older! How should I react? I
still do things for him because I am his mum, but maybe I need to pull back.
Any advice you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Coleen, Australia
Your letter represents the preoccupation of many parents with older children today - the issue of manners. While I celebrate that children have a greater voice and presence today, that they are (generally) not subjected to corporal punishment and that we recognise that, like adults, they have rights, maybe the pendulum has swung too far. As I write my column, I am often struck by how old-fashioned and “un-hip” I sound. But I do feel that in this culture, in these times, where we are obsessed with youth and all things associated, we have lost some of the basic principles of how to behave.
I don't believe adults have all the answers - we often get things wrong. I do believe that children offer a simple, uncluttered and often very honest view of life that we must embrace. However, I also believe, very strongly, that there should be an automatic, almost instinctive, process of respect from the young to older people, even if it is based only on the fact that we've been around longer and may, occasionally, have some wisdom based on experience.
It makes me mad when I am on the Tube or the bus and a young person will sit, plugged in to their iPod, while an elderly person stands. I can't bear the arrogance of some young people who think it's all right to walk down night-time streets and scream and laugh at the tops of their voices. I become incensed by the miserable faces of stroppy young shop assistants, who behave as if they are doing us, the customers, a favour (as they plot and dream of their place winning The X Factor or marrying a footballer).
Maybe this culture of “obsessive parenting” in which we are apparently trapped is not related solely to the fact that children are more unhappy today - maybe it is that children are so spoilt, so overindulged, that they are rude, disobedient, bad mannered and not nice to be around. Maybe these factors are linked - children who are raised without clear behavioural boundaries show no respect for the authority of their parents, which leads to behaviour problems, which leads to angry and argumentative families, which leads to unhappiness for all.
Teenagers are toddlers with hormones and attitude, so my advice to you is not dissimilar from that which I would give if your son was a three-year-old - set a clear boundary around his behaviour with immediate consequences that you carry out every time he oversteps that boundary. It is completely wrong that your son tells you to shut up, calls you stupid and loses his temper - it shows a total lack of respect for you, as his elder and as his mother.
That he is this way only to you clearly relates to some unbalanced dynamic in your relationship with him - he dominates and you submit; there is almost something sado-masochistic about this. The problem I see in all this is that you collude with this behaviour: he is rude and you just soldier on being “mother”, doing what he wants. In some ways your lack of assertion in this relationship must, to a degree, fuel his lack of respect - after a while it is hard to respect the person who keeps turning the other cheek when abused. If he treats you without respect then I suggest that you stop “doing” for him - if you are so stupid, then maybe he'd be better off washing his own clothes, cleaning his own room, shopping for and cooking his own meals. If he wants you to shut up then do - don't talk to him when he's rude, ignore him just as you would a toddler in the grip of a tantrum. If he flares up at you, walk away, go and meet a friend, lock yourself in the bathroom and have a nice bath with a good book. Sometimes actions speak louder than words.
Once he gets the message (and he will, when he has no clean clothes and is sick of fending for himself) you can then, calmly, set out the rules of the home - the home that you provide for him. If he does not like the rules, he can move (there are many 17-year-olds who look after themselves). I doubt he will, but I suspect that a change in your attitude and a strengthening of your position and your resolve will soon get him thinking about his behaviour and reverse this unpleasant mother-son dynamic.
Your son must respect you, his mother, and I wonder whether his behaviour is linked to previous occasions when he has seen you treated badly by other men - you give no background in your letter, but it is worth thinking back over his experiences of you in relationships. Whatever the reason, it is vital for your son's future relationships with women (as partners, or friends, or even, one day, if he has his own daughter) that he learns to treat them with respect and without verbal abuse - and if you, his mother, cannot teach him that, I feel sorry for any future significant women in his life.
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Treat him the same way and change the locks. He might notice you then.
Kate, London,
I went out with someone who treated his mother with a complete lack of respect and I found it impossible to stomach. He treated her like a doormat and she was still buttering his toast when he visited ( he was 38!)
This lad is old enough to work out how to do his washing, ironing and cooking
Beth, stockton,
What rubbish!
A 17 year old is not a todler with hormones. A 17 year old has the right to drive and breed...they are no longer children.
The age of the person they are being rude to is also irrellivent. Being older does not grant you a special respect card. Rude behaviour is his mothers fault
Kathryn, Preston, UK
Andrew - yes I 'order' my children around & I get backchat. I gave the same to my dad - and I am enternally ashamed of how I behaved. I thought I was hard done by - but when Dad was 18 he was a Royal Marine Commando in France with an SMG and an old book of Kipling's poems - a better man than me.
Mark, Berkhamsted,
Lou from Leicester, I don't think you quite get the point, it is about respect and thinking of other people now & again - nobody likes being woken - just as they have got to sleep - by crowd of hysterical drunken teenagers. It isn't really too tough to spare others a thought.
sarah, france, france
What a load of stereotypical tosh. Not only is not speaking to them going to make it worse, it also shows them you've got a weak spot. Teens are NOT toddlers with hormones and attitudes, they are growing individuals trying to find where they belong in the world.
Emma Lee, Bolton, Lancs
If you don't like the rules at home, leave and do everything by yourself. It's that simple.
I now live in a different country to my parents, that's how strict they were. Teenagers today have got it easy.
Tina, Dusseldorf, Germany
Louise. Feel free to have your freedom & make mistakes. I assume you are willing to move out of your parents home & take on a full time job to pay for this? Could it be that *gasp* your parents actually care & want to try and protect you? Biting the hand that feeds you is a very unattractive trait
Becky , Leeds,
This is a sterotypical view rant about teenagers. I think it is sad that Tanya thinks it is arrogant for us to walk down the street after dark laughing!! Laughing is a favourite persuit of mine and is not intimidating! And there could be a million reasons why teenage shopkeepers can look misreable.
Lou, Leics,
Don't see all teenagers as anti-social, celebrity-fuelled yobs. Just as I dont see my parents generation as "psychedelic druggies who had mass orgies" despite what my granddad says! Adolescence is not a new phenomenon, simply a careful stage of asserting independence.Polemical judgement don't help
Suzy, Birmingham,
I love it - its great to see all these adults ordering people who are younger than themselves around. I suspect that they did almost exactly the same when they were 'teenagers'. ANd yeh, a sport or something disciplined where he can focus his energy would be an excellent idea.
Gotta love it.
Andrew, STA,
Louise, you are not 2 years old so try not to behave as though you were. Temper tantrums are a sign of immaturity. I'm not surprised your parents patronise you. Behave like a selfish and immature brat and you will be treated like one.
Chantel , Wales,
Follow this advice and do what you can to fix it now. Don't hope once he's technically an adult he'll change - I know a 22 year old who treats his parents like this and shows no signs of changing.
M, Lancashire,
Certainly Louise is correct and teenagers would benefit from a bit less parental "control" such as controlling whether there's food in the fridge, clean laundry in the dresser etc. Some "making their own mistakes" might just mean finding alternate residence until they choose to live with house rules
Mel, New York, USA
Lock him out and hope he takes the hint.
Andrew Milner, Karuizawa, Japan
lay a few ground rules, expect manners and repect- tell him if he doesnt he can find alternative accomodation- he is old enough.
hannah, yorkshire,
To Louise because you are children! Parents have every right to control their children as they see fit. Hopefully teaching their children to be decent, hardworking and realistic about the world.
Barry, bristol, UK
Try and get him involved in a sport, which gives him a good discipline and makes him to tired to give you any grief.. He needs a good male role model in a sports coach or equivalent male, who will teach him respect and will make sure your son knows who is the boss.. in time he will respect you..
Valerie, Wokingham, Berkshire
Dr. Byron makes this an issue of respect for elders, but wouldn't the child be better served (!) by being firmly informed it's hurtful to be told to 'shut up' or called 'stupid' and that he's old enough to know better than to be rude like that to anybody, young or old, his mom included?
Janice Huth Byer, Annandale, Virginia, USA
I've only shouted at my mum once. She stopped cleaning, cooking etc... lasted 3 days. I was 12. It worked, and it is a lesson of appreciation I've never forgotten. Parents are not obliged to bow to their child's every want, they should make this clear and form mutual respect.
Gary, Manchester, UK
Tanya Byron hits the nail on the head - except the bit about celebrating the fact that kids have a 'greater voice and presence today' because that is a big part of the problem, they have TOO MUCH voice and presence! - the pendulum HAS swung too far and the little brats are taking every advantage.
FJ, Sandown,
If we lash out it is because we resent having our lives controlled by parents
Louise, do you intend to lash out at your future employer when he or she tells you what to do? because you'll learn from that mistake very quickly.
Sarah, London,
Parents must understand that they are not their child's "best friend". You have a right to enjoy the home you bought and maintain. Your son can either abide by the rules or he should leave. Our family maxim is: "if you wouldn't say it to a stranger, then don't say it to me."
A Stewart, Wellington, New Zealand
Dear Louise - while you are being supported financially by your parents (and I presume you are) you owe them respect and courtesy - you are living in their house. You owe this to everyone - but especially your parents. You are too old to "lash out" like a toddler. If you don't like - get a job.
sandraelliott, London, UK
Do us teenagers a favour and drop the patronising tone. If we lash out it is because we resent having our lives controlled by parents. Why not let us make our own mistakes and give us freedom?
Louise, Loughborough,
Hi all,
Why is the article devoid of father aspect. After all, studies after studies has shown that having father equally in children lives make a well adjusted children.
This is not about my body and my choice.
Rajesh Bhagat, Cardiff, UK